Natural living phase included avoiding products, ran untrained race in minimalist shoes.

And part of that was a big move away from every kind of product. I stopped brushing my teeth, I stopped using soap, I stopped using deodorant, all this kind of weird stuff. And I thought for a second, their shoes were bad. Okay, and there's a good case to be made that shoes are bad in some instances, right? But part of that journey was, yeah, I ran a race I hadn't trained for in tow shoes with no support at all on asphalt in the mountains. And that did not feel good after. Let me just put it that way. Okay, now I still don't use deodorant or soap mostly.